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Bondage tape

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I have concerns this does not meet WP:GNG. I cannot find any SIGCOV of this (and some uses refer to tape as in video tape). I checked the cited source (Fulbright 2008, located through AA), and it is a glossary of all things related to sex, and its entry on bondage tape is 122 words. Unless we find more SIGCOV, I think this can at best be redirected to the List of BDSM equipment per WP:ATD-R. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:57, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dokibird

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This streamer does not seem to meet WP:GNG or WP:ENT. The Siliconera sources are WP:ROUTINE, trivial, and based off of primary sources. The Japan Times and Polygon sources are based off of tweets and leverage notability from a corporate controversy. Doing a WP:BEFORE search brings up nothing else of use. Relisting this deletion discussion since the last one did not get much attention. Sparkl^talk 04:39, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Horror Stories (film)

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fails WP:GNG or WP:NFILM, one review magzine film information. Is that deletion korean horror film?? KirbyXtreme _{Xtreme founder...} 03:55, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:GNG and WP:SALT. We have never been a GNG passing and salt after released on July 25. KirbyXtreme _{Xtreme founder...} 04:38, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This article is about a 2012 film with two sequels. It has nine sources, including from Hollywood Reporter and this lengthy exposition. Just two months ago, a review of Korean horror films called it "One of the most underrated horror anthology movies"[1]
This nomination is barely intelligible and does not suggest a proper WP:BEFORE process. Nominator has been warned about slowing down before nominating more articles. I suggest this nomination be withdrawn. Oblivy (talk) 05:04, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fretïmio Assocão di Planka

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Suspected hoax created by sockpuppet account. No results for this name in JSTOR, and the picture is of Willie J. Hagan. Joofjoof (talk) 04:10, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ihor Kulakov

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Fails WP:NBIO. Most (if not all) of sources are self-published sources. GTrang (talk) 04:09, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I cannot see self-publishing sources. If you can see it, you may delete them. Not article at all. Thank you. Abcrad (talk) 05:12, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DXMC

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Previously deleted and salted as DXMC. Perhaps a redirect to Bombo Radyo Philippines might be an WP:ATD? KirbyXtreme _{Xtreme founder...} 03:41, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Agree with the nom that none of the references in the article pass WP:GNG. The best is the Bombo Radyo reference but that is still just an interview. Nothing in my WP:BEFORE either. KirbyXtreme _{Xtreme founder...} 05:06, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rumpology

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This article is terribly sourced (most sources are unreliable or passing mentions) and my BEFORE is not finding anything better (bunch of sources cite Wikipedia, there is SIGCOV in a self-published book here, etc.). I am not sure if this is not a hoax (creation of a arbcom and site-banned user Meco (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)), but it seems to have serious WP:GNG issues that do not appear to be easily addressed; and the current crappy article, which really belongs in urban dictionary or such, is just lending credence and leading to increasing WP:CITOGENESIS, I fear. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:33, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wright Investors' Service Holdings, Inc.

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Fails GNG. There’s a news article about them donating some dam properties but that’s it. Northern Moonlight 03:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Uplers

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While Ulpers is by no means a small business, I believe they fail to meet the WP:ORG notability criteria due to a lack of sizeable media coverage, as well as most of the article's refs being links to blog posts. Ulpers may perform well, but in the grand scheme of things, I cannot see a valid reason to call them notable by Wiki standards. Sirocco745 (talk) 02:45, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Epaderm

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Did not see any information about the product outside of articles selling skincare products. Just seems to lack sources. GamerPro64 02:27, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Giovanni Gallo (politician)

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This is a local politician at the city government level so fails WP:NPOL. The sourcing does not pass WP:SIGCOV, so fails WP:GNG as well. It's telling there is no Italian language wiki page. 4meter4 (talk) 03:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Yes need more significant coverages to stand. Xegma(talk) 04:02, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete Election to the regional council of Veneto does not make someone notable. Mccapra (talk) 07:56, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete falls short of WP NPOL and the broader WP GNG --The editing spirit (talk) 11:03, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Just to be clear, the Regional Council of Veneto is not the city level of government in Venice, it's the first-order divisional legislature of the entire region of Veneto (which is much, much larger than just Venice) — that is, it's equivalent to a state legislature in the US or a provincial parliament in Canada, not to a city council. Venice's city council is the Consiglio Comunale di Venezia, not the Regional Council of Veneto. So this certainly needs improvement, but he was a state/province-level officeholder under WP:NPOL #1, not a "city councillor" under NPOL #2. Bearcat (talk) 15:11, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Bearcat; as a regional council member, he would pass WP:NPOL. I understand the confusion and the difficulties in finding sources. My Italian is poor, and my Veneto is even worse (I bought a 30-day pass instead of two day passes for the people mover). On top of that, there’s a different Giovanni Gallo who works and lives in Veneto who is a potentially notable public health scholar who has published well-cited articles about HIV (called HiB in Italian), coronavirus, and hepatitis. Then of course the famous choreographer from Venice, Giovanni Gallo (choreographer). Giovanni is the Italian name for John, and Gallo is an extremely common family name in Italy, so ordinary searches for this name is like sifting between needles and hay. In any case, I think these sources might be good: 1 2, 3, and 4. Of these sources and others, some are just a passing reference that the subject spoke out in favor of a local energy law and such, but overall I think it is just enough for significant coverage. Bearian (talk) 00:50, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Motivation and employee engagement

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This article functions mostly as a cross between a lower quality version of Employee motivation and a dump of summaries of studies. I don't see how having the page is useful when Employee motivation and Work motivation both exist. Hihyphilia (talk) 02:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1993 TAC Cup season

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I am bundle-nominating all league season pages of the Talent League competition for deletion. This bundle incorporates the 25 articles listed below.

On balance, these articles fail WP:GNG. This competition does not garner the level of coverage or references about its seasons and results to justify having season-by-season articles. I include the italicised caveat because, as this is the main underage recruitment competition in Victoria, the league's players and structure do receive a decent amount of non-routine individual coverage, as a WP:BEFORE search will attest; but this coverage is all primarily focussed on the league's function as an under-aged talent pathway. The seasons themselves (i.e. who won/lost, grand finalists, etc.) receive only passing WP:ROUTINE coverage. I note also that 19 of the 25 articles (those from 2000–2018) are currently based entirely on a single database reference, and those which aren't are almost entirely from non-independent sources. I see no valid alternative to deletion and that all content worth saving is already found on the main Talent League page.

I am also nominating the following related pages because they are all part of the same bundle:

Aspirex (talk) 22:10, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment sorry, but that's way too much for me to work through to see if it needs deletion or not. WP:TRAINWRECK. Govvy (talk) 09:37, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Govvy: TRAINWRECK is a term for AfDs that cover many topics, but fail because the topics are too dissimilar – some are notable, others aren't. But surely any given TAC Cup season will be about as notable as the next? What makes you think TRAINWRECK applies here? – Teratix ₵ 02:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment it is possible that I did not make clear enough that these pages are all different seasons of the same competition with different sponsored names. Aspirex (talk) 05:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment @Aspirex and Teratix: Because on my first look, I assumed the AfD was for two different leagues. I didn't say don't delete, I just felt it was too much on one AfD. Maybe splitting between two AfDs might have been easier to manage for some people such as myself. Govvy (talk) 19:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment there is a strong case for deletion on the face of it – I would be surprised if enough sources exist for individual seasons of a state-level underage development competition. The point Aspirex makes about TAC Cup coverage mainly focusing on individual players or general aspects of competition structure, not specific results, rings true to me. – Teratix ₵ 02:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:Aspirex, this AFD is not formatted correctly for a bundled nomination. You can't just write down a list of linked articles and consider them to be included in this nomination, our closing tool, XFDcloser will not recognize them as nominated articles. Please review the instructions at WP:AFD for nominating multiple articles and format this nomination correctly. No matter how this discussion is closed, this needs to happen. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:10, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Liz (talk · contribs) Thanks. Did this edit fix it or have I still missed something? Aspirex (talk) 05:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Aspirex, everything looks good. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:45, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Vivek Verma

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Still unnotable. Not a key member of the Himesh team as he is not even mentioned on Himesh's article. Same weak references from previous AFDs. AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 01:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: My concern regarding this nomination is that it overlooks the substantial updates made since the last discussion, including the inclusion of relevant sources published after August 2020. Despite the availability of reputable articles from sources like The Diplomat, Hindustan Times, and Times of India, I have focused on incorporating recent sources to align with Wikipedia’s guidelines for establishing notability.

Extended content ((non-)sources)

1. Notability and Wikipedia Mentions:The statement "as he is not even mentioned on Himesh's article" highlights a common misunderstanding of Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Being mentioned on another Wikipedia page does not, by itself, establish a subject's notability. What is crucial for establishing notability are independent, reliable sources that document the subject’s contributions and achievements.

In this case, the subject demonstrates notability through various reliable sources that cover both aspects of their career—both as an indie artist and a Bollywood musician. The presence of multiple independent sources that cover different facets of their career supports the argument for notability. Still ypu can check him mentioned in the core team in many different projects including Action Jackson (2014 film).

Additionally, coverage in independent sources for distinct work profiles (Bollywood and indie music) further strengthens the claim for notability, as per Wikipedia’s guidelines. Getting covered for two different work profile (Bollywood & Indie Music) also cancles WP:1E.

2. *Independent Artist Notability:

The nominator’s comment in the recent nomination mentions "same weak references from previous AFDs." However, the subject's notability as an independent artist is well-supported by reliable sources published after the last discussion in August 2020. This period of time has allowed for the accumulation of substantial coverage and recognition of the subject’s work as an indie artist, distinct from their collaborations with Himesh Reshammiya. The updated sources included in the article reflect this enhanced recognition and demonstrate the subject’s notability within the indie music scene.

The new sources provided in the article explicitly highlight the subject’s achievements in the indie music scene, demonstrating a clear and ongoing recognition of their notability. The passage of time since the last discussion has enabled a more comprehensive evaluation of the subject's contributions, as reflected in the present sources

While articles used from sources such as The Diplomat, Hindustan Times, and Times of India in the last discussion that could have been used, I have adhered to Wikipedia guidelines by incorporating only those sources published after the last deletion discussion. This approach ensures that the references are up-to-date and relevant for establishing the subject's notability.

Surya^beej ^⋠talk⋡ 12:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:NMUSICBIO. 7 sources on the page and from it 5 sources on the page are not independent of the musician or ensemble itself. They are also promotional materials. Source india.com is unreliable per WP:ICTFSOURCES. 1 other source fail significant coverage worthy of notice to consider notability. I did not find information if the singer released two or more notable albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels or won any awards. I can not find any source where the singer has had a single or album on national music chart or has been in any international concert tour, or a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country. I see the subject missing all criteria for a notable singer. RangersRus (talk) 14:39, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and salt per all the many and varied reasons given at previous AfDs, DRs, etc., with particular reference to ANYBIO (done nothing to fulfil any criteria), BLPSOURCES (no independent, reliable third party sources support an assertion of notability), NMUSIC (ditto: criteria fail) and NOTADVERT (fundamentally the root of these repeated attempts to inflict this article upon us). The time may yet still come when his career trajectory makes such a change in dynamic as to justify a neutral, source-based, independently-written article. That time is not now, however. SerialNumber54129 19:20, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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DXJR

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Delete. I can't find any AFD Because deletion without any reason given. Kirby Xtreme 01:33, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:KirbyXtreme, I don't know what that means, but if you're nominating something for deletion you should provide an argument for deletion. Drmies (talk) 01:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep. No reason given for AFD, notable enough for inclusion. LR.127 (talk) 01:53, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy keep This radio station in the Philippines actually meets the GNG with some surprising sources (including the South China Morning Post). With no actual deletion rationale, this nomination is procedurally defective. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 03:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep for failure to state a valid deletion rationale. Nominator can you please withdraw the nomination so it can be closed?
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Speedy Keep Sources are solid which was unexpected. Dr vulpes (Talk) 04:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dmitri Pestryakov

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I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV for this Russian footballer. Seems like the article creator moved the draft to the mainspace. JTtheOG (talk) 01:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Chong Tsun

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I am unable to find enough coverage of this footballer to meet WP:GNG after using different search terms in different scripts, which is understandable as he has seemingly played one game. Sources in the articles are databases and social medias. JTtheOG (talk) 01:34, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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No Commercial Airport at Whenuapai Airbase Party

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Political party that existed for less than a year and advocated for a single issue. Only limited coverage, and it all appears to be from 2008, except for a single article about "the stranger parties of NZ's past and present" from 2018. This seems similar to how political candidates may receive limited coverage during an elecetion but are not considered notable. The article creator has reverted an attempt to redirect this page to Whenuapai#Reverting to Military Aerodrome and recent developments. – notwally (talk) 01:00, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Single-issue_politics#Oceania: I couldn't find articles showing lasting impact other than an article that justifiably says their lasting impact is the absence of a commercial airport there Oblivy (talk) 01:03, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to List_of_political_parties_in_New_Zealand#Parties_that_never_held_seats - basically one guy who got fewer than 300 votes the one time he stood for election. it is an idiosyncrasy of NZ politics that anyone who can scrape up a deposit can say they are a party even if their unregistered "party" is basically a laptop and a printer. Daveosaurus (talk) 03:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of political parties. I feel the inclusion anywhere else would be undue given how little there is about it. Whilst the Whenuapai air base has been a recurring topic in NZ politics, this party had no impact on it and there is an IP edit that suggests the founder of the party (and it's only member) doesn't want to be associated with it anymore. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:39, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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San Francisco Bay Intl

San Francisco Bay Intl → San Francisco Bay Oakland International Airport (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

I know this is kind of silly but with the name change should this redirect point to San Francisco Bay Oakland International Airport or San Francisco International Airport? Dr vulpes (Talk) 02:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Case insensitiv

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Case sensitiv → Case sensitivity (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Case-sensitiv → Case sensitivity (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Case-insensitiv → Case sensitivity (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible/trivial (WP:UNNATURAL) last letter omissions; sensitiv or insensitiv do not exist, so a search for "insensitiv" will currently only show one of these redirects as the single result rather than applying an automated correction and displaying all relevant content. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:59, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unimproved

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Unimproved road redirects to Dirt road. That said, there are other topics like Unimproved water source or Unimproved sanitation using this word. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:33, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Anthony Walsh (weed)

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Anthony Walsh (dagga) → Anthony Walsh (author) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
Anthony Walsh (ganja) → Anthony Walsh (author) (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

As noted at Special:PermanentLink/1246780142#Redirects gone amok, these are implausible redirects and not the kind of disambiguations a reader would reasonably expect for a Wikipedia article. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Street Gangs

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Extremely ambiguous. Roasted (talk) 01:17, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Smooth variety

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Smooth algebraic variety → Singular point of an algebraic variety (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

These should be consistent. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 02:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think both should redirect to "smooth scheme" since that article discusses the topic in more depth with more examples. —- Taku (talk) 04:16, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep both for the moment. Not all readers interested in algebraic geometry are specialists of scheme theory. So, per WP:ASTONISH, the subject must be linked to an article where it is explained in classical terms, and, nevertheless, readers interested in schemes must find an article convenient for them. I wrote "for the moment" because the subject is very poorly described in Wikipedia, and the redirect problem can be correctly resolved only if the articles would be well rewritten.
An example of the poor content of both articles is the fact that none of the articles is clearly linked to Regular ring and none states the fundmental fact that an affine algebraic variety is smooth if and only if its ring of regular functions is regular, or, more generally, that the spectrum of a Noetherian ring is smooth if and only if the ring is regular. D.Lazard (talk) 08:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree the topic is poorly covered. Since "smooth variety" is essentially a shortening of "smooth algebraic variety", I suggest that both should probably point at Singular point of an algebraic variety. I've added a sentence to the lead of that article that refers the reader to the more general concept. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 15:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Darklighter

Darklighter → Garrick Hagon (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Has some contention over the target of this redirect - whether to redirect to the fictional concept in Charmed (TV series) or one of the Star Wars characters (Biggs Darklighter or apparently his actor). I just moved some history to Darklighter (Charmed) which has some links. No strong opinion on final outcome. Izno (talk) 17:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate Biggs Darklighter should lead to List of Star Wars characters#Biggs Darklighter ;; there also being Gavin Darklighter , Empire Volume 2: Darklighter ;; SEEALSO ;; a see also for ;: Dark Light (disambiguation) ;; there also being "dark lighting" or Low-key lighting ;; there also being a "dark highlighter" in makeup ;; there also being dark lightning -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 04:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Natoinal kick a ginger day

Natoinal kick a ginger day → Red hair#Modern-day discrimination (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Implausible typo. No incoming links. One view in 3 months according to pageviewws. Recon rabbit 18:36, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep per WP:CHEAP. Cremastra (talk) 23:26, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment adjacent character transpositions are a very likely form of typo. The target mentions "National Kick a Ginger Day" and the redirects National Kick a Ginger Day and national kick a ginger day exist -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:20, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:COSTLY. Regardless if the correct spelling of "national" makes this phrase a likely search term, typing one word wrong then typing 4 other words correctly is incredibly unlikely. Steel1943 (talk) 23:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. "National" is not a hard word to spell. It speaks volumes that this is the only use of "natoinal" on Wikipedia, redirects included, for the thousands of pages that have the word "national" in its name. Otherwise not useful or likely, definitely not pleasant. The creator is since blocked. We can have some dignity with what we maintain here. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 23:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Looks like a demonstrably plausible typo to me. Stats show 10 hits this past year... which is only slightly less than the number of hits to the no-caps but otherwise no-typo National kick a ginger day (12 hits), and ironically even more than the 9 hits this year for the properly capitalized National Kick a Ginger Day. As a specific reply to Steel1943 above, we typically consider a single typo more likely than multiple typos. Saying "typing one word wrong then typing 4 other words correctly is incredibly unlikely" is diametrically opposite to how we usually do things around here... would you have !voted to keep "natoinal kikc a gigner dya", with a transposition typo in every word? I don't think you would have, and I certainly wouldn't either... more typos are LESS likely than single typos. Fieari (talk) 01:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure Steel agrees that redirects with single typos are more likely than those with multiple typos. Separate from that though, we need to think about the benefit of "typo" redirects as a whole. As a community, we've been missing mark here, fmpov. Not every typo needs a redirect. Just because there's a de facto benchmark indicating "2+ errors is implausible", doesn't make every title with 1 error realistic. That's still HUNDREDS of "one-error" typos per title, between character transpositions, to swapping a "l" with a "k" and every neighboring letter forever, etc.

Perhaps counter-intuitively, the longer the search term, the less likely it would benefit from any given typo redirect. We see these a lot actually, one example being Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 13#Dream haorders. There was no mention of a "haorder" typo anywhere on Wikipedia, despite Hoarder existing, and a plethora of other mentions of "hoard" and "hoarding", yet none with this transformed spelling. There's really just one way to misspell "Hoard", and that's "Haord" (or Hord, I suppose, but that's a different page). But for "Hoard", there's only like 3 possible letter swaps one could make in a short subject. It's a small and acceptable price to pay, = EZ maintenance.

However, if someone were to create equivalent typo redirects for, say, Hoard of the Dragon Queen, i.e. Haord of the Dragon Queen, Horad of the Dragon Queen, Hoard of the Dargon Queen, well, this is a massive technical debt. Especially when zero of these words are "difficult words to spell" anyway. We can't and shouldn't be maintaining any dreamable transmogrification of a full set of words in an already long title... and then do the same thing for 7 million pages in article space.

The "2+ typos rule" is quite good for immediate problem detection, but it's not the whole story. I've (personally) !kept titles with more than 2 typos, and !deleted ones with less. It's about expected usefulness-impact and precedent. Euphemism is a difficult word. Euphinism swaps the e for an i, and the m for an n, yet I honestly wouldn't bat an eye at either used in a sentence. Maybe good redirect? Positive value, probs. But if we're dealing with something like Griffin Science-Fantasy Bokolet Number One... like... no reasonable person would ever type everything verbatim, swap in "bokolet" instead of "booklet", and then finish the term. If such a title is considered reasonable, get ready to add Bokolet redirects for the thousands of pages that contain "booklet"; it's not value, in fact it's closer to negative value due to the precedent. Especially so that "Bokolet" or Bokoworm or Bokobinding haven't ever, and never will exist, and it's even less likely in a long title assuming everything else is correct. And even these are reminiscent of when we saw the set of Mnecraft titles get deleted @ Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 March 24#Inecraft and etc., the creator disrupting NPP to prove a point after Minecrat got deleted here: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 February 12#Minecrat. One error does not = good typo, even if it's a letter-drop or letter-swap.

"National kick a ginger day" has zero affinity towards being spelled as "natoinal", and definitely less than every other page that uses the word "national" and never fathomed to have a "natoinal" variant. So people who type "Natoinal", click the tab key, will be greeted with a page about kicking gingers, even though they only typed 8 letters and none of them had anything to do with red hair. Nothing for Natoinal, Natoin, Ratoinal, Ratoin, Elatoin, etc. In fact I don't think there's a single page on Wikipedia that misspells a "tion" ending as "toin". (Testing: Per this quarry: [2], there are zero pages on Wikipedia which misspell a word containing "tion", as "toin". Just the "Natoinal Gingers" set on page 2.) Anyway this was more than I expected to type lol. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 21:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as implausible, per Utopes. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 01:29, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Phronima atlantica

Phronima atlantica → Phronima (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

It is inappropriate to have a species name as a redirect to higher ones such as a genus. It creates the impression that a page exists and makes it impossible to use template:species list as it will create a circular redirect back to the genus page. There is no history to be preserved in this redirect so it should be a redlink until such time as an editor decides to create a page for the species. 🌿MtBotany (talk) 00:45, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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